2012 JET Bakers?

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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby mobiuschic42 » Fri May 18, 2012 6:00 am

I loooove to bake, and I almost bought an oven last time I was in Japan, even though I was only there for 4 months!
The biggest obstacle was the temperature scale differences - this probably isn't a problem for non-US bakers, but without Fahrenheit temps, I wasn't sure the ovens I was looking at would get hot enough! (They were mostly small toaster ovens that I was thinking I would use as a stop-gap). Hmm...maybe I'll bring a US oven thermometer. :)
The other thing I'll definitely want to buy is a mixer. I'll miss my Kitchen Aid that will sit in storage here in the US. :( I'll probably just end up getting/shipping a little hand held mixer.

I don't have any particular favorite thing to bake - I have a small repertoire of recipes that I bring out at least once a year or so. My favorite thing to do is try to bake new stuff. I'm really hoping to find Japanese friends who will be willing to teach me to cook/bake Japanese stuff!
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby Yarantoiken » Fri May 18, 2012 6:19 am

For people who like cooking and baking, get on to youtube and look up:
Cooking With Dog
RunnyRunny999

They're 2 great channels that show you how to cook LOADS of Japanese food.

@ Butonz - Shortcrust pastry is so easy to make, use twice the amount of flour to fat (so 2 oz of flour to 1 oz of fat - be it butter, lard, etc.) A quick Google will show you videos regarding technique and you'll be sorted!

I love to bake and cook - breads, pizzas, cookies, cakes, pies, anything. It's not so hard in Japan but you may need to buy a small oven/microwave combo (オーブンレンジ o-bun renji, oven range) in order to get an oven. You can't cook a turkey in it, either.

My favourite recipe is a red velvet cake with cream cheese icing. Red velvet is just gorgeous, and using buttermilk in your batter makes it so moist once it's cooked. Or I love millionaire's shortbread (as mentioned previously), chocolate cake with orange butter cream, cinnamon raisin bread and melon pan (Japanese bread with a layer of sweet cookie dough - DO try it.) So into my sweets.

How will I manage to stick to my diet now that I've found this thread?!
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby Rosieee » Fri May 18, 2012 7:36 am

Yay a baking thread ♥ I love baking too and really wish I wasn't so terrible in the kitchen, everything everyone's posted sounds soooo good and I'd love to be able to make them all!! I guess my favourites would be really gooey brownies and cupcakes since that's pretty much all I can cook :mrgreen:

During my year abroad I was staying in an international dorm and a lot of us struggled with the fact there wasn't an oven...I tried making cake in our rice cooker but it failed miserably XD It would be lovely to take some baked yumminess in for our students (or even have little cooking classes with them!!) Scones and shortbread for a nice British teatime :D
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby wiensama » Fri May 18, 2012 7:43 am

I love baking banana bread and experimenting with ingredients while making it (last week I made it with whole wheat flour and used honey for the sweetener plus cinnamon apple sauce to help moisten it, it was delectable and healthy!).

It's the only thing I don't feel guilty about if I eat an entire batch myself :p
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby teabot » Fri May 18, 2012 7:51 am

i'm about to head off to work soon, so i can't get too detailed, but i love baking, too! unfortunately i haven't done it quite as much as i used to states-side for a variety of reasons, but i've still done it several times!

so far for my baking i've used my toaster oven (inherited from pred; this is pretty easy to come by/commonly inherited), and i've borrowed a convection oven an ALT neighbor inherited from her pred. i've baked cakes in my toaster oven, so it's completely possible to get by with only that!

i'm also American, so i have to do a lot of conversion in terms of ingredient prep and temperatures, but it's not that big of a deal. i brought my small digital kitchen scale from the US which helps a lot!

the other thing you might want to be aware of is ingredients. sometimes Japanese ingredients are slightly different and they may be either difficult to find in grocery stores or have different consistencies/tastes which may slightly affect the taste of your baked goods. (but i haven't had any major problems.) if any of you are curious about certain ingredients (what they're called in Japanese, if they're easy to find, if they are somehow different, etc.) that you often use i can try to give you a heads up about what i've seen in my area and my experiences.

oh one last thing. don't get your heart set on baking for your students. while your teachers will most likely gladly appreciate baked goods, depending on your school, you may be forbidden from giving students anything considered "okashi" (snacks anywhere from potato chips to candies to cookies, etc.). i was able to bake a cake for one of my schools that was tiny. (yes, the entire school. yes, it was *that* tiny.) but i'm thinking that may be an outlier. on the other hand, if your school has an English club, you may be able to lead a baking-in-English activity with the club if you can get permission from the teacher in charge of the club and the home ec teacher (for permission to use the home ec kitchen classroom). (you can also ask if you can come visit home ec classes when they're cooking or baking. i've done it twice--once when i was just wandering the school and was invited in--and it was a lot of fun.)
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby maichan » Fri May 18, 2012 8:09 am

I'm so happy to have so many fellow bakers out there :). I actually wrote about my passion for baking in my SOP and mentioned that if the students had home economic classes, I would love to participate. I'd especially love to learn how to make all the soft and fluffy delicious pastries and cakes one finds in the Japanese bakeries. I'm super excited :).

As for the oven, I think it would be a good investment. Baking party anyone? ^.^
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby castikat » Fri May 18, 2012 8:47 am

I love this thread!! I bake allll the time and I sad I can't possibly bring all of my baking supplies with me...but I'm looking forward to learning about Japanese baking. I've even considered going to pastry school in Japan after JET haha. But I'm not sure that's gonna be within my budget...

Trudi wrote:You could probably set up a business selling baked goods to vegetarians, as apparently all the baked goods in Japan are made with lard! :(


:shock: This is terrifying as I refuse to eat lard but I'm in love with Japanese pastries...
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby Gizmotech » Fri May 18, 2012 9:14 am

Hello bakers!

Gizmo here to rain on your parade (sorry, this thread needs facts).

First of all, if you are lucky and have a big house (ie in the middle of no where) you still aren't likely to have an oven. HOWEVER, you will have a space to put one, so you're amazingly lucky. If you're in a smaller space such as my own you will run into one rather big problem, though your apartment might be bigger, your kitchen usually isn't. It's rather difficult to find space to put an oven, and I know one ALT who acquired one who put it in his living area closet because he didn't have enough space in his (much larger) kitchen.

Second, COST. A proper oven, ie something that doesn't use microwaves to heat it, are expensive. You're talking well into the 5-8man category new, maybe 3-5man category used. I have yet to find one at a price I find reasonable to pick one up, and instead, when I want to bake, I borrow an oven from the school when the cooking club is doing their thing. (They love this... as I don't cook anything Japanese at all).

Third, Ingredients. Thank god for the internet. The variety (or lack there of) of baking ingredients in Japanese grocers is abysmal at best. I find a large quantity of what I need/want has to come from online. That being said, if you're near a bigger area (like floating around the kantou area) you can find everything you need but you will likely have to go out of your way to get it.

Fourth, the Japanese are NOT squeemish about using fat/lard in cooking at all. Especially with their delicate pastries. Also, a lot of their margarine is mixed, ie it's part butter, part margarine, as opposed to pure synthetic yellow goo. Be careful what you purchase. Real butter is rather expensive to buy from the grocer, but I have heard about online shops (have yet to track em down) where you can order it shipped to your house at a reasonable price (assuming you buy other frozen goods at the same time).

Fifth, beware your microwave. It might say "oven", or "convection oven" but they really mean Convection Microwave. This is an excellent way to ruin a lot of food in a big hurry. I use it occasionally but have yet to be satisfied with the results. The microwave action tends to make things rubbery or cooked very unevenly. Also beware when buying an "oven" in the store, many aren't convection or conventional ovens, just really large microwaves.

I think that's it for the moment. Good luck in your baking adventures, I know many ALTs who are quite successful at it, especially after finding the correct hardware to do it.
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby Cytrix » Fri May 18, 2012 9:19 am

Word Gizmotech.

When I arrived I had a couple of little toaster ovens (one done by wattage, one by celsius), and a microwave. Thankfully the microwave broke within a month so I went and bought a new one that has both an oven and a grill function. However it won't go past a certain temperature. I've managed to successfully cook a pavlova and some cupcakes in it happily enough.

One thing to experiment with is your rice cooker. A lot of my friends have been making rice-cooker cakes and bread lately. A bit more dense, but worth a try!
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby Jax » Fri May 18, 2012 10:11 am

Hmmmm I have a little toaster oven (with a temp setting) and my microwave/convection oven thing and I do just fine with baking. Cupcakes, muffins, pie, pizza, cookies galore.... everything comes out perfect. The only things I can't make are big cakes or bread and large batches of cookies can be a pain since my toaster oven is so small. But other than that, no problems here with baking!
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby OitaPA_Nicole » Fri May 18, 2012 10:31 am

It is great to see new JETs so passionate about cooking/baking. I really hope that everyone manages to keep it up once they get here!

I went to the Yamada Denki (electronics/home appliances store chain) near where I live when I first got here, and had a look at what they had to offer. I went back again about a month later and then again another month later and kept an eye on their sale stock. When I was ready to buy one, I spoke to a staff member and told them what I wanted to use the oven for, and asked for some recommendations. He showed me an oven that was significantly reduced in price because it was the last in stock. There was a newer model out (the only discernible difference: the new model’s casing design was updated), and no apparently no one wanted to buy the older model anymore.

The oven was originally 120,000yen and had been reduced to 58,000yen. I’d signed up for my internet through Yamada Denki two months prior, and earned 20,000yen of loyalty points. I used these loyalty points, and ended up only paying around 39,000yen (with delivery) for a great oven. The freestanding kitchen cabinet cost me an extra 13,000yen (delivered and assembled) from a homeware store, but at least I have a sturdy surface to put my oven on.

I know that space is an issue for a lot of apartments in Japan, and an oven will warm up a small room quite quickly if you don’t have decent ventilation (which is actually great in winter!). BUT it is definitely all worth it if it is a hobby that makes you happy. I personally much prefer home-baking to bought-baking, especially in Japan. Most cakes over here are light sponges and chiffon cakes, and are very airy and subtle in flavour. That just doesn’t cut it for me (I grew up cooking with my grandma, and she makes wedding cakes, including the most chocolately-delicious mudcakes ever). It is actually really difficult trying to explain the idea of a mudcake or a Christmas fruit cake to my friends and colleagues here…

In my Japanese oven I have so far successfully baked all kinds of cakes, biscuits, patty cakes, quiches and breads, as well as panfried and steamed gyouza (using the special grill tray insert that it came with). It’s quite the beast of an oven: it goes up to 300degrees celcius!
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby Gizmotech » Fri May 18, 2012 11:00 am

OitaPA_Nicole wrote:I went to the Yamada Denki (electronics/home appliances store chain) near where I live when I first got here, and had a look at what they had to offer. I went back again about a month later and then again another month later and kept an eye on their sale stock. When I was ready to buy one, I spoke to a staff member and told them what I wanted to use the oven for, and asked for some recommendations. He showed me an oven that was significantly reduced in price because it was the last in stock. There was a newer model out (the only discernible difference: the new model’s casing design was updated), and no apparently no one wanted to buy the older model anymore.

The oven was originally 120,000yen and had been reduced to 58,000yen. I’d signed up for my internet through Yamada Denki two months prior, and earned 20,000yen of loyalty points. I used these loyalty points, and ended up only paying around 39,000yen (with delivery) for a great oven. The freestanding kitchen cabinet cost me an extra 13,000yen (delivered and assembled) from a homeware store, but at least I have a sturdy surface to put my oven on.


This is a brilliant strategy to use for practically anything in Japan, but works ESPECIALLY well w/ electronics for some reason. A bit of patience goes a long when way finding things, and the staff do have a bit of wiggle room :)
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby coop52 » Fri May 18, 2012 11:21 am

I've cooked in my oven (microwave/oven/grill combo thing) with some success. It's pretty fiddly with temperature and time, so you'll probably have to experiment. Small items like cookies and cupcakes work fine. I've made banana bread, but it's tricky to get it to cook all the way through without burning the top.

Certain ingredients are impossible to find, such as buttermilk, so you'll have to use substitutes (making your own buttermilk with lemon juice for example). You can find some other stuff on the internet. Try FBC or Rakuten.
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby OitaPA_Nicole » Fri May 18, 2012 12:02 pm

Gizmotech wrote:
OitaPA_Nicole wrote:I went to the Yamada Denki (electronics/home appliances store chain) near where I live when I first got here, and had a look at what they had to offer. I went back again about a month later and then again another month later and kept an eye on their sale stock. When I was ready to buy one, I spoke to a staff member and told them what I wanted to use the oven for, and asked for some recommendations. He showed me an oven that was significantly reduced in price because it was the last in stock. There was a newer model out (the only discernible difference: the new model’s casing design was updated), and no apparently no one wanted to buy the older model anymore.

The oven was originally 120,000yen and had been reduced to 58,000yen. I’d signed up for my internet through Yamada Denki two months prior, and earned 20,000yen of loyalty points. I used these loyalty points, and ended up only paying around 39,000yen (with delivery) for a great oven. The freestanding kitchen cabinet cost me an extra 13,000yen (delivered and assembled) from a homeware store, but at least I have a sturdy surface to put my oven on.


This is a brilliant strategy to use for practically anything in Japan, but works ESPECIALLY well w/ electronics for some reason. A bit of patience goes a long when way finding things, and the staff do have a bit of wiggle room :)



For sure.
Out of curiosity I did searches for the same product online (for example on Amazon) and the prices in store were much better, and the staff usually have a wealth of knowledge on the products. It's tricky comparing online specs for something like an oven. Also as Gizmotech says, the staff are sometimes willing to take a little extra off the price to sweeten the deal!
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Re: 2012 JET Bakers?

Postby kenkennif » Fri May 18, 2012 2:58 pm

Baking ftw.

It`s tough to bake out here though, people will most likely only have a toster oven, micorwave oven, gas hob and rice cooker in their apartments, so you`ll likely have to get creative about what`s possible, or come up with a neat way to improvise.

Like has been said, you can actually bake in the rice cooker which can be amazing but can also give you some headaches.

Luckily, an american ex-JET from 15 years ago lives in my town with four kids and a Japanese husband and I went by their house for dinner the other night and it ends up they have an old oven in their garage they want to get rid of. It seems I will be the lucky father of a new oven in the near future! =D

(first thing that`s going in that is a big fat fish pie!!!)
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