Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby Jax » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:11 pm

Siyris wrote:Worrying about things like this at this point in the process is foolish. Instead you should be worrying about making packing lists, getting time sensitive things done that might need to be done, making back up plans, and spending time with friends and family. Worrying over things that are at minimum 5 months away or not at all, and then stressing over them is not a productive use of your time. Especially when these things vary hugely depending on the individual schools you might end up working at.
Get off the forums for a while and think about something else.


This is all true. While it's interesting, even for me, it's really of no use thinking too deeply about school lunch. If you get a high school, which many JETs do, there's a huge change that there's no school lunch for you so all your worrying and wondering about this goes out the window. ( don't know any high school ALTs who get one.) That's why this thread is pretty interesting for me... it's something I don't get to experience. So applicants, keep that in mind when going through this thread.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby SakuraHoshi » Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:34 am

Siyris wrote:
SakuraHoshi wrote:I love most of the Japanese foods I've ever tried, especially ramen dishes. I don't eat meat but I'm a big fan of fish, so that goes down well. However, there are definitely things I tried over there that nearly made me gag. One thing I'm a bit concerned about is portion size and how much we're expected to eat. I struggle to eat a lot in one sitting and end up leaving most. I read on one ALT's blog that the school portion sizes are pretty massive and you're expected to eat it all. Is that true? Or is it an ESID thing? I don't want to offend people but I can't really force myself to eat way more than I can manage. Unless they enjoy watching me throw up :roll: :lol:


The portions are pretty big... the solution to this (at my schools which seem pretty strict about eating what you're given compared to other people who have posted on this thread) is to, before you eat ANYTHING find the nearest boy (or girl, but more often it'll be a boy) or male teacher and ask if they will take some of your rice. Usually the answer will be yes. then you use your chopsticks to put a chunk of your rice into their bowl. IMPORTANT NOTE on this method is that you cannot use it if you have already eaten anything off your plate using your chopsticks. It then makes them unclean, as is whatever you took a bite from. So if you get a meal that looks like it'll be too big for you, get rid of what you can't eat at the start.
The rules in my school about this are pretty lax -- you can give away as much as half of your rice, a quarter of your piece of fish, half of your veggies and a half of your soup. You can't give away all of anything though.

The other technique is during serving, often there will be some trays that have been served smaller portions of rice.... make sure you grab one of those, or if it's request based, make sure you tell the students/teachers who are doing the serving that you can't eat a whole lot.

You will, to some extent, have to get used to eating more than you are comfortable with. The benefit of that though, is a lot of nights you don't end up feeling the need for dinner, since you had such a big lunch. Also, after your first month or so your stomach will get used to it -- the rice is digested quickly.

On the other hand, there are lunches every now and then that leave me really hungry afterwards -- those are usually the lunches that are 'foreign food' days.... like this week we had one slice of 'french toast', a small salad, a small dessert, and a small bowl of soup. I was hungry again a half hour after lunch ended. There are some days when there isn't really enough food, though those are the exceptions.

There are still days where I am uncomfortably full after lunch -- especially the ones where they give you two or three types of grain-product... x.x the worst was when we had chicken noodle soup, some bread, and fried rice.... it was too much food for everyone. However, you can bet that the other teachers and the students feel the same way as you do about eating more food than they are comfortable with -- but they really frown on throwing food out and being wasteful... so odds are you'll learn to eat more than you're comfortable with.


Thanks for that insight. Sounds like if I'm successful, I'll just have to accept and adapt to whatever situation I find myself in regarding mealtimes. My diet is pretty unhealthy and full of junk at the mo so it can only be an improvement :mrgreen:
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby SPR_255 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:53 am

I would be thrilled if the school provided a lunch for me! That would certainly save money and I'm up for trying anything edible. XD

I hope the school I'm placed in allows me to eat with the students. It seems like an excellent way to bond with them. Is it a common practice?
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby chomuch » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:40 am

And I wonder yet again WHY there isn't an epidemic of childhood obesity in Japan...
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby merkypie » Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:58 am

chomuch wrote:And I wonder yet again WHY there isn't an epidemic of childhood obesity in Japan...


Because they're not scarfing down a Mighty Kids Meal.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby SakuraHoshi » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:02 am

chomuch wrote:And I wonder yet again WHY there isn't an epidemic of childhood obesity in Japan...


I think the food is generally a lot lower in fat and calories than your average western food, so the large quantities don't matter as much. Also I hear most kids are in sports clubs so they burn it off anyway.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby Cliodhna » Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:30 am

chomuch wrote:And I wonder yet again WHY there isn't an epidemic of childhood obesity in Japan...


Rice, fish, and veggies burn pretty quickly. I know I tended to be hungry just a couple hours later. Meat isn't as prevalent either, and that might also be a factor. Food also does not have preservatives in it, and that might help in easier/faster digestion with less retention.


Merkypie wrote:Because they're not scarfing down a Mighty Kids Meal.


LOL :lol: This, too! Plus Micky D's in Japan uses noticeably less grease than the states, and they've also got stuff like shrimp burgers and other different things.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby chomuch » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:27 am

merkypie wrote:
chomuch wrote:And I wonder yet again WHY there isn't an epidemic of childhood obesity in Japan...


Because they're not scarfing down a Mighty Kids Meal.

Ok... and US school lunches are also filled with mystery meats and processed junk and god knows what else. ANYWAYS the Japanese kiddies aren't generally obese, so I guess the huge portion size works for them no matter how freaky I think it is.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby ladama » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:35 am

There is also more emphasis on PE and being active in Japanese schools. The vast majority of my JHS students were in a sports club, and they practiced almost every day, plus schools have an annual sports day from elementary through high school (and Sports Day means business, my schools canceled afternoon classes for a week for the kids to practice and prepare). Meanwhile, in the US, PE classes and sports programs are constantly being reduced or cancelled to save money. :roll:
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby chomuch » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:49 am

ladama wrote:There is also more emphasis on PE and being active in Japanese schools. The vast majority of my JHS students were in a sports club, and they practiced almost every day, plus schools have an annual sports day from elementary through high school (and Sports Day means business, my schools canceled afternoon classes for a week for the kids to practice and prepare). Meanwhile, in the US, PE classes and sports programs are constantly being reduced or cancelled to save money. :roll:

So true. I work with elem. students and rather than playing outside (the elem schools in my area don't even have sport clubs for the kids to participate in after school... shame) the kids are more concerned with going straight home and playing their xbox or PS3s. And they are definitely reducing physical education. Years ago it used to be a 4-5 days a week deal, now the kids are in PE (on average) 2 times a week.

Though ESID, depending on location and type of school one goes to. I speak for a urban public school system, so yeah. ESID.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby merkypie » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:53 am

chomuch wrote:
merkypie wrote:
chomuch wrote:And I wonder yet again WHY there isn't an epidemic of childhood obesity in Japan...


Because they're not scarfing down a Mighty Kids Meal.

Ok... and US school lunches are also filled with mystery meats and processed junk and god knows what else. ANYWAYS the Japanese kiddies aren't generally obese, so I guess the huge portion size works for them no matter how freaky I think it is.


You're then implying that anyone who eats school provided lunch are automatically obese. School lunches are mandated by the Board of Education, so they have to be balanced or else there would be problems.

Anyway, the problem isn't in the schools, the problem is after school. I do not see obese children in the elementary or middle schools. The children who tend to be obese are the ones who's parents eat out all the time or don't cook home meals and pop processed TV dinners in the microwave. Obesity doesn't come from the schools, it comes from the homes. So when I say they're not eating Mighty Kids Meals, I'm serious in that fat kids are the ones shoving a double cheeseburger down their throat with a side of fries then going home to sit on their behind and play Skyrim for 12 hours.

Japanese kids usually aren't shoving a double cheeseburger down their throat and are typically active 8 - 10 hours day.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby chomuch » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:10 am

merkypie wrote:You're then implying that anyone who eats school provided lunch are automatically obese. School lunches are mandated by the Board of Education, so they have to be balanced or else there would be problems.

LOL I wasn't making any implications, I was referring to the crap they serve in school lunches for what it is - crap. Balanced? Sure, if you think pizza sauce counts as a serving of "vegetable". Chill, take a breather. I'm not being serious, I'm just amused by the topic. I'm just stating my opinions, that's what people do in forums. Discuss, share views, and learn.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby merkypie » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:03 am

chomuch wrote:
merkypie wrote:You're then implying that anyone who eats school provided lunch are automatically obese. School lunches are mandated by the Board of Education, so they have to be balanced or else there would be problems.

LOL I wasn't making any implications, I was referring to the crap they serve in school lunches for what it is - crap. Balanced? Sure, if you think pizza sauce counts as a serving of "vegetable". Chill, take a breather. I'm not being serious, I'm just amused by the topic. I'm just stating my opinions, that's what people do in forums. Discuss, share views, and learn.



lol, I'm not jumping. I just lol when people are so quick to say Japan = better. What's really in that breaded pork? What is really in the soup. You know? Just because they serve it doesn't make it any better. Your weight is reflective on your lifestyle (and genetics). There are fat kids in Japan just like in America. All I'm trying to say :lol:

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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby Siyris » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:17 am

merkypie wrote:Japanese kids usually aren't shoving a double cheeseburger down their throat and are typically active 8 - 10 hours day.


Um.... where are you getting this idea from? It's entirely inaccurate. Unless by 'active' you mean 'awake and using their minds' My students are sitting at desks in classrooms or at home doing homework for 10-12 hours a day.... and play sports for maybe 2.... in nicer weather (ie summer time) it might go up as high as 4 hours a day but.... certainly not 8-10.

I think that a lot of the weight difference is due to genealogy, as well as a much lower level of processing/chemicals in the food here. Genealogy because it is in the Japanese (as well as other Asian bloodlines) to have a fast metabolism... so combine the biological with the more active lifestyles and that makes for kids with much higher metabolisms on average than American kids. Then the food served here (both in and out of school) is less frequently processed and less frequently contains preservatives. I don't know for a fact if that makes a difference, but I suspect it does. Also, when it comes to school lunches, they are far more balanced than any school lunch I ever got when I was a kid -- and the portion sizes (of everything but the rice) are smaller.
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Re: Food! Goodness me, school lunches!

Postby chomuch » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:25 am

merkypie wrote:
chomuch wrote:
merkypie wrote:You're then implying that anyone who eats school provided lunch are automatically obese. School lunches are mandated by the Board of Education, so they have to be balanced or else there would be problems.

LOL I wasn't making any implications, I was referring to the crap they serve in school lunches for what it is - crap. Balanced? Sure, if you think pizza sauce counts as a serving of "vegetable". Chill, take a breather. I'm not being serious, I'm just amused by the topic. I'm just stating my opinions, that's what people do in forums. Discuss, share views, and learn.

lol, I'm not jumping. I just lol when people are so quick to say Japan = better.

Er... no one is saying that Japan is better. Again, calm down and stop jumping and assuming everything (or trying to prove that you are right and the world is wrong). Take a chill pill. Breathe in and out dude. No need for the attack or the condescending tone. All I said was US school lunch = crap. And apparently the Japanese school system love big lunches. Subjective remarks, yes but they're MY subjective remarks.
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