William MacDonald wrote:If they're just going to teach manners and how to roll then Aikido would be a much better choice. It's softer, teaches important moral lessons like avoiding and neutralising conflict, and I've never seen anyone injured in an Aikido class. In fact the philosophy of Aikido is much more in keeping with the government "peace education" mandate than Judo or any other martial art.
losdutchmen wrote:The decision to mandate martial arts training wasn't made in response to bullying was it? I thought I read that the purpose was to instill traditional "Japanese" values in the younger generations. Based on that, martial arts are a huge cultural tradition in Japan. There are plenty of others also, which I always thought were already well practiced; ikebana, tea ceremony, taiko etc. I always thought that Japanese schools did a good job promoting their culture.
Before we start bashing the decision though, look at it from a traditional Japanese point of view. Japanese people have always had a sense of toughness, whether it is mental or physical. They are taught to deal with adversity and problems quietly without much complaint. They've developed a culture based on conformity and group dynamics instead of individual likes and dislikes. That has created a unique sense of unity within Japan. Not always good, no, but compared with the complete lack of social unity in some other countries, it has its positives. When I heard of this, I tried to think of an activity that American schools could use to promote "American" culture. Can't come up with one. Butter churning? Shooting guns? Lassoing horses? Square dancing? Not many countries can call on a 400 year old art form from its country's past.
I've always admired Japan for keeping its sense of "Japanese-ness". I think a lot of what is wrong with American culture, and some other Western countries, is that they lack that cohesiveness. So before you cry outrage and predict mass death and injury to noob judo students, keep in mind that a huge part of Japanese culture revolves around gaman. Maybe the purpose isn't to raise a country of Olympic Judoka, but rather strengthen their character through the use of a traditional martial art.
William MacDonald wrote:Aikido isn't designed to kill, nor are their tournaments, since these are both held to be too aggressive and focusing too much on competition rather than working with your partner.
AVNicholls wrote:I don't think forcing kids to learn to fight is useful at all.
William MacDonald wrote:Martial art means that it once had battlefield application.
Siyris wrote:AVNicholls wrote:I don't think forcing kids to learn to fight is useful at all.
How is teaching Japanese students martial arts in school any different than teaching kids in American high schools to wrestle or box? In my gym class in 9th grade we had an entire month and a half where we learned the basics of boxing. I don't see how this is any different.
I wouldn't want boxing to become a mandatory subject.
William MacDonald wrote:The word "traditional" is probably the most problematic word in the English language. The nuance most people attach to it is decidedly positive, but that's incorrect. There's nothing necessarily good or glorious about traditional life. Some fine European traditions included burning old women at the stake, dying of a huge variety of diseases because they couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that the privy wasn't supposed to go near the well, abuses of power perpetuated in the name of idiot kings obsessed with their own importance, and of course hordes of limbless beggars from the frequent wars fought over the most ridiculous slights to someone's "honor". Africa isn't much better, there's a similar tradition of killing witches, there are slow and cruel animal traditional animal killings (picture something like the bullfighting in Spain), and of course more kings and more idiotic wars. Japan likewise has its own share of unsavoury traditions, like picking fights with China (and then hoping like hell the Chinese fleet never makes it to Japan), a strong legacy of bullying of junior students in martial arts (this can still be seen in hazing incidents with new students in dojos that still result in deaths, but history suggests that in the old live-in dojos is may even have extended to rape), and a mess of other stuff.
William MacDonald wrote:losdutchmen wrote:And for the poster who likened Kendo to dance.......AAAGGHHHHHHH!!!!! Seriously? Obviously never done it.
I don't know about kendo, it has been formalised into a sport like fencing, but traditional Japanese swordplay is very much like dancing in that one moves in response one's partner, either reacting dynamically in free-form practice or going through the moves of a formal kata like a ballroom dance.
William MacDonald wrote:In short, my information comes from the best source, the head dojo via my instructor.
William MacDonald wrote:... so in order to support your argument that martial arts did not once have a battlefield application you cite the example of kyuudou, saying that it was once used on the battlefield but has now assumed a more meditative focuse.
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